UKRAINE – PHILISTINE; TWO FRONTS, ONE WAR
Ali Osman ZOR
We present the denoument of the interview with Mr. Ali Osman Zor, Chairman of the Idea-Culture-Politics Platform ADIMLAR, on November 4, 2023 and broadcast on Adımlar TV on November 5, 2023…
EAST IN REVOLT AGAINST ANGLO-SAXON COLONIALISM
AdımlarTV: There has been a polarisation in the last three years. How do you evaluate this polarisation with its sides?
Ali Osman ZOR: Yes, this is a situation that has become clearer since the last three years. One year before the actual start of the hot war on the Ukrainian front, it already gave its signs. As a matter of fact, it is possible to take this date back even further. However, in order not to distract the minds, we are evaluating the issue through Ukraine. Yes, if the sides of the polarisation are not correctly identified, the enemy side in this polarisation may once again emerge victorious, as it has been doing for a century… The world is now reporting that it is heading towards a general war on two different fronts, both in Palestine and Ukraine. Here, too, it is necessary to know “who is against whom”. What is being opposed is the Anglo-Saxon colonial hegemony, led by the USA and the British, which launched the “New World Order” in 1990 and organised attacks on the whole East! Everyone already knows what this hegemony has done to the world, what it has done to people, what kind of life style it has offered… But at the end of these 40 years, it has reached perhaps the lowest point of its power. Right now, it is in the stage of self-defence, of protecting its current situation…
So what do we call it? What should we call it?… As you know, we were the first ones to characterise it as “this is an East-West war!”… While everyone was trying to understand what was going on, we said “this is an East-West showdown” and announced to the whole world that “we salute Putin who acted on behalf of the East”!.. Immediately afterwards, we said in another conversation that the Anglo-Saxon hegemony was showing signs of collapse and that it would collapse… However, from that day to today, we have realised that those who are not actually involved in the issue but are on the guilty side are also trying to take refuge in this term “East-West showdown”. Therefore, simply saying “East-West showdown” is not enough to characterise the parties to the polarisation!… We have just said that there is a power led by America and England on behalf of the West, on behalf of the Anglo-Saxon West, on behalf of the “North”. And who is opposing this power? Who is against this power? Opposing this power is the Eastern World, which has decided to revolt in all continents, led by and encouraged by Russia, which has been actively acting since the last three years. Within this Eastern World, there are Muslims, Christians and even Jews… Now we can see this through the Palestinian incident. Through this Palestinian front, we can see that the Jews around Israel are not all in one piece… For example, there is a Jewish community that strongly opposes the Gaza operation… The whole public is now following how they oppose Zionism, which is a sub-apparatus of liberalism.
Therefore, here, rather than a hollow religious discourse, it is necessary to define the sides directly politically and ideologically… This side, let’s call it by its fashionable name in the last 40 years, is the Liberal Marauding Anglo-Saxon Hegemony – which is led by America and England – while this side is the whole Eastern world, led by Russia, which is rebelling!.. And if you use a hollow religious discourse when you say “the Eastern world” -again, I repeat- here, this will again benefit that Liberal Marauding!… It will get out of the way. How? He comes; “This is a religious war. Let’s stop this religious war.” and so on. I am saying this as a possibility. Just as in the past “he stopped Fascism”, “he defeated Marxism”, etc., and “he defeated radical Islamic terrorism”, now he says “I have prevented a religious war that could lead the world to the darkness of the Middle Ages”, and in order to prevent him from slipping out of the way again – in other words, in order not to allow him to hide himself in the term “East” – it is necessary to put the side opposing him clearly!
While this side continues on the “unipolar world”… There is even a tendency that says “there can be a bipolar world, the post-1945 order can continue”… However, the Russian administration, which ignited the fire of rebellion against this pole, this Western power, did not accept that “bipolar world” proposal and insisted that a new world order should be established on a “multipolar world” understanding. Of course, when I say Russia, I also include China… Especially after Putin’s last visit to China, China has shown with its performance that it will fulfil its leadership role in the move to be put forward against the psychopaths of the “unipolar world” and the mentally ill from the Pacific side. Therefore, the parties to this polarisation must be correctly identified! And we need to embrace it well!…
If this is not adopted, Liberalism, in different disguises, will again enter into events through your mind and get away with it again!… Do you understand?… I mean, he did it through the “Turkish-Kurdish conflict”, he does it through the “Alawite-Sunni conflict”, he does it through the “Arab-Turkish conflict”, he does it through the “Shiite-Sunni conflict”. Right?… Now, this is a period when all these problems must be suspended and the “real enemy” must be correctly characterised and expelled! It is a period in which the main enemy must be neutralised… In such a period, anything that will soften and weaken this activity is being done in its name.
AdımlarTV: You said, “It happened many times in the past”. The best example of this is the literature of “Down with America, down with the tyrant Saddam!”…
-Friends should talk about these things in the form of an accounting and discuss them on every platform. These things already started with Saddam. In those days, those who said “Down with America! But let the cruel Saddam also be overthrown!”, today they act like “the champions of Palestine”… However, from my point of view – I don’t know about others – the only reason why Palestine is in this state today is because of these “cruel Saddamists”!
Today’s rallies and demonstrations were held in 1991, when Iraq was invaded… 91 was done and fulfilled!.. If today’s reactions had been put forward in 2003, Palestine and Gaza would not be in this situation today… Do you understand?… In other words, wasn’t it known that the primary reason for the intervention in Iraq was “Israel’s security”? That’s what I’m trying to say; they are all the same type! Those who take this issue with hollow religious discourses are all the same types! They all have something in their own minds, and the thoughts in their minds are in favour of Atlanticism; some of them are neo-Ottomanists, some Syrian, some whatever… America is already implementing its own policies through the diseased thoughts in their minds! And this is what has been happening for 40 years, America has done this!
If there had been a reaction saying “You cannot invade Iraq!”, would we be in this situation today? They are solely responsible for the tears and bloodshed of the children in Palestine! Look, I say sole! Because if it were not for them, America would not dare! The sole responsible are those “cruel Saddamists”! “The dictator Gaddafis! You know what I mean?… And unfortunately, they are still on the market, shamelessly, shamelessly, brazenly! They are still talking!… Anyway, the tears of Palestinian children will take them away!… Today, it was revealed how dishonest and hypocritical they are…
AdımlarTV: Where do you place the phrase “the world is bigger than 5”?
-That’s another trick… I mean, here we have America, we have the actions of the hegemony led by America and Britain, and now, while you are supposedly opposing them, you come out with the phrase “the world is bigger than 5”. Now, this is done in a theoretical discussion; it is true, the world is bigger than five. But when it comes to practice, when you say “the world is bigger than 5” based on what America and Britain are doing, what you are actually hiding is Russia’s opposition to them! And by saying “the world is bigger than 5”, you are putting Russia next to America! This is a trick!… What comes after that? After that, “Our neo-Ottomanist world leader!” blah, blah, blah… You know what I mean?.. Whoever says this… This fraud has also been exposed!.. Therefore, today, the saying “the world is bigger than 5” is also useful for Atlanticism!.. Just like that “Down with America, Down with Saddam the Tyrant”… Because your saying “the world is bigger than 5” does not harm the Anglo-Saxon hegemony, which does not listen to any international law, any moral, conscientious, humanitarian value!.. “OK, you can say it!” he says… Why can you say it?.. Because you cover up the issue, the rebellion, the rebellion of Russia against them, and you put Russia on their side!… And this is its profit… And this is what is being done in Turkey… Where do we see this? All the academic types, retired soldiers, etc. appear on television programmes… They are supposedly making analyses; most of them are the types who are paid to do this job… Surely they have a word for Russia at some point!.. For example, a man will condemn the massacre of civilians in Gaza, and his assessment is: “You were very vocal about the massacres of civilians in Ukraine, you raised the world, why don’t you do it for Gaza?”… Did Russia commit a massacre of civilians in Ukraine? Where are you making this up!… If there was such a thing, America would already be there with all its satellites, planes, photographs, press, etc.
AdımlarTV: Not a single one!
-Even though it didn’t happen, they tried, they lied!… If there was such a thing, would that Western society, which you call “the world”, which you call “the international community”, would they stand like this? Therefore, even this situation shows how much they are lying! But since their minds are shaped in such a way, they shamelessly express such statements!… That is to say, since they are trained in covering up the truth, they can shamelessly cover up Russia’s opposition to the “multi-polar world” and its opposition to these “unipolar world” psychopathic worldists on behalf of the whole East!.. Therefore, that saying “the world is bigger than 5″… It is true, of course the world is bigger than 5! But today we are not having a theoretical discussion, we have a practice! And when you say this in relation to this practice, it directly favours the colonial hegemony, the Anglo-Saxon hegemony! And it uses this against the Palestinian Muslims, the Palestinian people through Israel, and on the other hand, it tries to use it in Africa! It tries to use it everywhere it can think of… Why?… Because you do not stand on the side of the actual opposition against it! That is the situation today!… If you stood by your side, if Turkey could take a de facto stance today, would Israel be able to carry out the massacre and genocide it is doing today in Palestine? It does this because it knows it cannot!
AdımlarTV: At this very point, you mentioned in our previous conversation that “there are objective conditions for leaving NATO!”. Why is Turkey still not acting accordingly?
-The first mistake is this: We, people like us, think that they are from us! You know, “he is also Muslim, he is also Muslim” and so on… However, they are not from us!.. How do we understand this?.. We need to investigate and look at them from their childhood and youth; what is the idea that shapes their character? Do I make myself clear?
Of course, there are different typologies within the society. Let me exemplify a few of them… For example, for the Left, there is a “Mahir Çayan” type…
Adımlar TV: Yes.
-They mobilised in the 1970s, in 71-72. When you look at the upbringing of these people, they are the generation born between 1940 and the 50s… Some were born in 44, some in 45, some in 50. And the Ideology of İBDA, Commander Salih Mirzabeyoğlu is also from this generation… These are the generations that do not know the first period of the Republic… But this is a generation that has lived and witnessed how Turkey after the Second World War was sold off to the Anglo-Saxon world, to the hegemony, to Atlanticism, and how it was thrown as an appetiser!.. This is a vein!… For example, this vein within the left, let’s say the vein of Mahir Çayan, actually reacted in the 70s, and already in those years, with him, the truly national left was scythed away… Of course, he had followers later on, but you know what I mean: This is a character. It is a “human type” and these are good people!… At that time, while there were people whose character developed in such a Left, there was also the CHP Left. While one was the “Atlantic left”, the other was actually a “left against Atlanticism”!… You see the same thing with the Nationalists: While there is an Atlanticist nationalism, Atlantic nationalism, there is also a counter-nationalism!… You can already see this in the confrontation between independenceism and nationalism. There is a trick here!… He is a nationalist; why is he not independent?!. Can’t an independent man be a nationalist?!. What kind of a conflict, what kind of a contradiction is this? What kind of nonsense is this?!. In order to be a nationalist, you have to be independent!… But no, such a thing is not accepted… Starting with nationality, then becoming “nationalism”… “Nationalism” has an ethnic flavour, doesn’t it? But there is no nationalism! A man can be a leftist and be a nationalist, an Islamist can be a nationalist, a Kemalist can be a nationalist and so on. “Nationalism” encompasses all of them… In this “confrontation”, those who witnessed how Atlanticism tore Turkey to pieces remained on one side, while those who were attracted to it and those who were raised by it remained on the other side…
Immediately, it is necessary to remember the point underlined by Commander Mirzabeyoğlu… The American report… “There is no need for foreign intervention in Turkey anymore!”… Why?… “After 1950, Turkey has produced Western-type politicians!” Therefore, there is no need for foreign intervention anymore… In other words, “it will do what it has to do on our behalf” and this is how it has continued since 1950 until today!.. In fact, within this scope, you can say that “Atlanticism finished the job in the 50s”! You can say, “It has become dominant”… But this generation, which was shaped by the acquisition of Turkey after World War II, has opposed this! There is the example of the colonel that the Commander always gives; a colonel comes from America, they welcome the colonel at the stadium in Ankara! There is such a politics that flows into Americanism and a mass directed by this politics!
Now, if we turn to “our” side… Here, too, there are “anti-communist associations” and environments formed by absurd historians… For example, who is he? Mısıroğlu!… The man who says “I made Tayyip Bey accept the BOP (GREATER MIDDLE EAST PROJECT) project!” The man who says “I wish the Greeks had invaded!”… This is an Atlanticist! There is a type of “youth” shaped by this typology, this mindset. Those who are in power today are these young people!… This is how their youth was shaped, this is how their characters were formed… In other words, Americanism is ingrained in their bones!
Now the view you call “liberal”… A man can express himself as a Muslim or a liberal, as a Kemalist or a Kemalist, as a Leftist or a liberal… This is a state of mind!.. This is a state of mind that we call “selfishness” before its connection with a political system, economy, that is, from the point of selfishness!.. Therefore, you can see this state of mind in all of them!
On the other hand, on the other hand, there is a Great East! There is a youth built by Master Necip Fazıl Kısakürek… In other words, there is also a youth shaped by the Master… And the symbol, the peak of this youth is Salih Mirzabeyoğlu!.. Salih Mirzabeyoğlu was the one who shaped our upbringing and our character. Both as an image and as an idea… Therefore, this is the biggest difference between us!
So, their exit from NATO; maybe American ships will be sunk… They will see… Their towers and so on will all be destroyed… So, at the end, they may say, “Huh! Aren’t there any American soldiers left?”, “Then we are leaving NATO!”… But within this understanding, this is a generation that believes that “there is a Jew under every stone” and that “America is an invincible power”! There are examples of this generation in the world; there are examples in China, India, even in Russia… That is a separate issue… But their situation, as psychologists say, “we need to go back to their childhood”… When we look at their own upbringing and youth, we are faced with such a situation… Naturally, our understanding of Islam is not the same as their understanding of Islam!.. Therefore, it is wrong to pretend that they are “from us” and to have expectations…
That is why we emphasise it when we put forward the sides of polarisation. It can be Muslim, Christian, Jewish, atheist, Buddhist, whatever, in both poles… It can be here, it can be there… Therefore, in the world today, any hollow religious discourse – especially the religious discourse of BOP Islamism – will directly benefit Israel and America!
we should not forget this: While you are talking about BOP Co-chairman, Israel was also BOP Co-chairman!, Italy, Yemen and Turkey were BOP Co-chairmen… So, while you are talking about BOP Islamism here, there is actually BOP Judaism in Israel as well.
AdımlarTV: Today, the organisation led by Netenyahu…
-Of course!… And there are other Jews who oppose that BOP Judaism… Therefore, we can perceive this conflict between those Jews as a conflict between “Western Jews” and “Eastern Jews”.
AdımlarTV: You said “religious rhetoric”, Netenyahu used religious rhetoric; “Now go and fight the people of Amalek! Destroy everything they have and show no mercy! Slaughter both men and women, babies and the women who suckle them, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys without blinking an eye!”…
-And this is this: The politics, the idea, the ideology that they had put forward was actually blocked… Because they put forward a lie called “international law”, right? Now, it has been revealed what a big palaver and lie this is! What is he going to do now? He says, “I’m not sleeping anyway”. In order to involve the other side, he has to resort to these discourses! In other words, to prevent opposition to him… Now let’s go back here. It’s the same here: What does the AKP’s rally mean? Look how the reactions softened after the AKP’s rally. Now, what is the meaning of taking people from Istanbul, which is the centre of this work, loading them into cars and taking them left and right to Adana? Is there no American target here?!. Why isn’t the American Consulate besieged here?
AdımlarTV: The US Secretary of State, who is proud of being a Jew, is also coming to Istanbul and Ankara.
-I wonder if your reason for evacuating Istanbul is to stabilise Istanbul, where there is the strongest reaction? Which I think it is… So who benefits from this? One; you are softening the reaction that may come on behalf of the government. Two; you are removing the people who will react against America and Israel from Istanbul!… Hah! This is the logic that says, “Down with America, down with Saddam the oppressor!” They continue in the same way… The projection of this is in Israel. You have just read Netanyahu’s speech… Well, wouldn’t the same Netenyahu have come to Istanbul if there hadn’t been a war? Wouldn’t he have come to Turkey? Wouldn’t the agreement have been signed?
Adımlar TV: Gas treaty…
-You see, in fact, the Palestinian “Homeland Mujahideen” saved Turkey from committing a historical crime… In other words, they prevented Turkey from having a crime on its criminal record with this operation…
And Palestine has come to the agenda again as a stepping stone against the Anglo-Saxon colonialist enemy, which everyone has forgotten… Together with the blood paid by our martyrs and veterans there as a price!.. Therefore, here, while the sides of the polarisation are put forward, you need to understand well over which details the Devil on the other side is trying to mislead you!.. There is no need to babble, we will put it clearly!.. I repeat again: One side of the polarisation is the Anglo-Saxon colonialist hegemony led by America and England, which started with the “new world order” attack and then continued with the BOP (Greater Middle East Project)!… The other side is the whole East, led by Russia, which opposes them and says “a multipolar world must be established”, and then China joined it! But here, you will not hide who is leading this East at the moment!… Therefore, “this East-West war” and so on… Ok, we have already said that!.. Now, “which East and which West are fighting?”
When you say “the West”, are you cursing Italy? Are you cursing Ireland? Are you cursing Spain? 1 million people marching in Spain!… Which West?!. Do you consider Southern Europe the West or Northern Europe the West? Today, this outburst of Russia has caused a certain jump of consciousness in them too… Southern Europe, the real Europe, is already under occupation by the North!.. Do you understand?… That is to say, this Anglo-Saxon world has already occupied the Greco-Latin world first!… Today they are being talked about there…
Therefore, “the correct characterisation of the parties” is important for the war to be conducted in the right direction…
AdımlarTV: You just said that IHH travelled to Incirlik base with vehicles, you mentioned the situation of evacuating Istanbul… But we are the first ones to make this call, you are the first!..
-YES
AdımlarTV: It was you who stated that NATO, which is the armed element of Anglo-Saxon colonialism, should be withdrawn from NATO as soon as possible, and that all NATO bases, including the terrorist bases, İncilik and Kürecik, should be closed…
-Today, at a point where Liberalism, Zionism and Nazism are all united, the reactions -we are talking about world domination, aren’t we? – should be given from those points of domination!… Look, I am talking about the whole world!.. If it is in Ukraine, it will be given from Ukraine, if it is in Palestine, it will be given from Palestine, if it is in Iraq, it will be given from Iraq… Like this… Let’s apply this to Turkey now. What did we say when we said this? You must organise and mobilise the forces that can oppose these bases, these enemy targets and enemy elements in the places where they are located… If it is in Adana, the people of Adana already know that place. If it is Kürecik, Malatian, Elazig, Diyarbakir, Urfa people know it!… Istanbul is the cultural, political and ideological centre of this business… Istanbul and Ankara are the centres of this business from the point of view of America and Britain… What do you think you are going to do now, taking Istanbul and Ankara and taking them to a town called Incirlik?.. At the very moment when it was rumoured that the US Secretary of State was coming to Ankara and Istanbul… Why are you evacuating Ankara and Istanbul? Why don’t you prepare for his arrival? Shouldn’t you plan an action to prevent him from entering Turkey? Shouldn’t you shout in his face what kind of a scum he is and that he can no longer pollute our country with his filthy steps?!. Instead of doing that, you are trying to take everyone away…
The aim is clear here! What Netanyahu is doing to bring the anti-Zionist Jews there into the business is the same as what the people here are doing to keep the majority Muslim population from opposing America, Britain and Israel!… One is trying to bring them into the business, the other is trying to keep them out of the business!.. Both are religious discourses!… Do you understand?… So now we don’t know that Satan also shows evidence from the Qur’an for what he does!
This must be understood! In fact, if this issue is understood well, it will be understood how artificial the problems we are experiencing within us are… Those problems exist so that the problem cannot be solved and so that this liberal-capitalist understanding will always remain in power!.. Therefore, as we say here; you should not take every bearded person you see as your grandfather… So we will think, we will look; “what is the enemy? What is he doing? What is he doing?” and so on… We will look at all of them… “Who is the one who opposes the enemy?”… One cannot fight by hiding the truth, by half-talking the truth!.. If someone somewhere is hiding the truth, it means that he has a bad intention!..
What is still being done… That’s him, Bayraktar… What was his name? “The groom’s name? UAVs, UCAVs, etc.?
Adımlar TV: Selçuk Bayraktar.
-What’s Selçuk Bayraktar doing on an American ship? Why is he going? What comes to my mind when I see him on the American ship? His father-in-law’s (R.T. Erdoğan) visits to America, here and there, and Europe before he came to power… Do you know what I mean?… What are you talking about on the American ship? Who are you talking to?!. Then you get out of there and start talking to Russia and so on… What’s going on? So this makes you think: There is not the slightest indication of becoming a man here! We need to see it like this… It’s an issue that is overlooked… What are you doing on an American ship? What qualification do you have to be there? In the current state of our region and the world, is it appropriate for you to go to the American ship? And those American ships are now in the Mediterranean, pointing their cannons and rifles towards Gaza, towards the Islamic geography, threatening one of us every day!
AdımlarTV: In your last speech, you stated that “warships will no longer provide superiority”. Putin recently announced that he has placed Kinjal (“Dagger”) missiles on MiG-31s. And he said that “this is not a threat, just a reminder”.
-Yes… This, in fact, showed how correct our observation was… Because he does not intervene with his own naval forces, but directly with missiles… Yes, it is good that you reminded me… In that speech, I already tried to say that. Think of huge ships, not matchboxes. You can’t take it in your pocket and carry it, you can’t hide it, you can’t hide it!… It works for you across the ocean. But from the point of view of the missile systems currently developed by the armies – I’m not even talking about the Russian army, I’m guessing there are some in Turkey – when you look at the missile systems of Iran and Turkey, it is a known fact that they can already cope with American ships and British ships with those missile systems… Now, those Kinjal missiles that Putin mentioned are among the “unstoppable missiles”, if my memory serves me correctly. He says, “I have mounted it on aircraft”… on MiG-31 aircraft… This means that it can be fired from anywhere…
What is important there is that it was not said in the translation. Firstly, he says this; that is, he says “this is not a threat, I remind you”… And America, if you have paid attention, has not made any serious counter-explanation against this!.. The other one is “war is war”… And this sentence is not translated here… For example, I think I saw it in Sputnik news. Putin says, then he says “War is war”… So what does this mean?.. You need to read this well!… He says, “I am fighting you everywhere!” He says this to America…
Adımlar TV: So not only in the context of Ukraine…
-Yes… “War is war”… Now some idiots jumped on the issue. I don’t want to mention the name of the TV channel. One idiot, idiot son of an idiot (I’m using the word deliberately!) immediately on the evening of that statement, on TV, said, “See, he admitted that it was war! It was not a special operation!” and so on… Idiot! Nothing has changed in Ukraine! In Ukraine, that struggle is still being used at the level of “special operations”. What Putin calls “war” is what he is doing with America all over the world… He calls it “war”… Pay close attention to this: Why is ours(!) jumping on the issue so quickly? For this; when there is a war, he will say “This is Russia’s power!” or something like that… Idiot, no matter what you say, Russia is still fighting with one hand behind its back in Ukraine!.. Do you understand? Not only us, but now NATO’s top commanders, secretaries general, leaders of Europe… Men are now shouting this! Look, there is no such issue as “Ukraine” on their agenda now! Why? Because Ukraine was already over! They were defeated in Ukraine!… Now they will make the public forget about it through Israel… And these shameless men can still talk about Palestine…
The story here is this: President Putin’s statement and his subsequent statements… The most important statement was the statement of the Russian representative to the United Nations at the United Nations General Assembly: “Israel is an occupying power! Therefore, there can be no such thing as the right to legitimate defence!”… Now, when we put these statements one after the other, what do we see here?
Today, what we call Palestine, the events taking place in Palestine are first and foremost the problem of the Islamic world… I am speaking in general… Turkey’s problem in particular… Because Gaza, Jerusalem, Palestine -I said it in the last speech, I still say it! It is ours! Let the jurists take a good look and research. We accepted Britain as a “guarantor state”, not as the “owner of the land”!… They came as a guarantor state, they gave Palestine to the Jews! They gave it to the Zionists!… We have rights there. We still have the title deed to it!… Therefore, no matter how much you whistle here looking at the ceiling, this truth will haunt you!.. Now this idiot comes out here, “What are the Arab countries doing?”, “Islamic countries are not doing anything!”… Who are you?!! Aren’t you an Islamic country? Aren’t you a member of those organisations? Aren’t you the “leader of the Islamic world”, playing neo-Ottomanism when necessary? What is this whistling at the ceiling? This is your country!
Hâ! Why can’t you do anything, let me tell you that too… The reason why you can’t do anything here, you know, “they were scared” or something like that, it’s not that!.. You can’t do anything because of NATO again!… Because America and England have put their aircraft carriers there… As a member of this pact, you should at least remain inactive. Because when you do this within this alliance, it would be a different situation… This is the reason why some people cannot get out of NATO today… Because when you get out, you have to take a position on this side immediately… What are they doing now to avoid doing this; “America will do this or that to us”, “America will do this or that to us now”… Look, this is very visible especially in these retired generals who appear on TV; the 91 and 2003 Iraq attacks have caused trauma in them! When they think of “war” – and this is evident from the idiocy they display when evaluating Russia at the moment – such a huge army comes, air force, naval forces, destroys, carpet bombings, etc… They do not have the idea that there can be any other kind of war!.. Now, when Russia put forward such a strategy in Ukraine, they all froze!
Adımlar TV: They have been through the NATO lathe.
-“Gosh, how can this be?”… How can it be; it won’t fight the way you want it to!.. There is something called the “Russian concept” that has depth… But you’ve already broken away from it… You’re all about NATO! “This will happen in NATO, that will happen in NATO”, blah, blah, blah… For Russia, the longer this war drags on, the more it tries to create the “institutions of the multipolar world” against the “unipolar world”!.. And the prolongation of the war is in its favour in that sense… Wait a minute… Everything from football to politics to art has been embargoed, hasn’t it?.. Isn’t the same thing being done to those who support Palestine today? The same thing is being done!… There is a neck-to-neck strife here!.. There will be more institutions in the field of sports. Now you say “World Cup”, does the world belong to your father? What do you mean “World Cup”? You say it, why can’t I say “World Cup” now… “World Bank”… Which world bank is this? Now Russia is trying to establish a real World Bank! The real world cup… It will be called the “Eurasian Cup”… And it is trying to turn the East, Asia into a centre of attraction. From the point of view of those who think like Asians… Here you see, the famous footballers of Europe are now coming to the teams in the East. It changes the imagination!… This is not an easy thing. This change is transformation… This is a revolution of mentality!.. It’s not easy… What do you do, you hold a microphone to a kid and he says “I dream of playing for Real Madrid” and so on. I don’t know the names of teams in the East, but now, when you hold the microphone to a footballer, he will say, “I dream of playing for this team in Saudi Arabia”. You have to give credit to the sportsmen who triggered this dream – I’m not very interested in football – Ronaldo, for example…
Therefore, while we are trying to abolish some of the existing institutions and try to fill some of them, we need a while… There is the economy side, the politics side, isn’t it, there are many areas of this business… From fashion to other things… Look, what will be on the agenda? The United Nations Council will come… This won’t work with the “United Nations”!.. What will happen? A new United Nations must be established… In order for this to be on the agenda, Russia is constantly making proposals and showing the world public opinion how dysfunctional the United Nations is…
And in this state, with this attitude, he says: “This is your region!” This is what he says to the Islamic world!… To the Middle East… Do you understand?… He said this to Africa, he said this to Central Asia… He said this to Far Asia… “I am here militarily! I’m telling you: The aircraft carriers are within the range of our Kinjal missiles!” He also said this to the West: “This is a warning, not a threat. It is a reminder… Know this! We are at war with you!”… He says to this side (Islamic geography); “whatever you do, I am here!”… “This America will not be able to do anything to you! It will not be able to use its aircraft carriers!”… “The moment it does, I will take action,” he says… Then China announced: “We will directly intervene in the intervention in Iran!”… If you hide this reality by saying “the world is bigger than 5” when this is the case, then the Palestinians will hold you twice as much!.. You are here now, this is Turkey, this, that… There is nothing real! I don’t know who sent it, but I don’t know who it was, but that immoral person, they sent shrouds as “aid”… The real aid is the attitude of Russia!.. It is not intervening here with its army, but it is preventing what America claims to do against a country that would intervene with its army!..
Now you take a look: 1500 members of the Al-Qassam Brigades did in Israel… Now the Al-Qassam Brigades say: “If we had entered with 30,000 people, we would have taken Israel!”… Now imagine what one country can do to Israel! You are still silent about what a state, a community, an organisation with one day’s life has done to the whole world – the Islamic world in particular!… “What are you going to do?”… You are going to wage war!.. You are going to send your army!.. Now the man says: “What should we do? Should we wage war?”… Yes!… You are going to wage war!… When you wage war, your problems will be solved gradually. Your domestic problems will be solved; don’t you see the state of the people?!. For your own society, is there anything other than war to solve these problems? Think about it like that…
AdımlarTV: The whole society is on the side of Palestine…
-Yes!… There is also such a thing… If it is “national will”, here is national will for you!..
We have just talked about that; whether they will leave NATO or not… There is a spirit that we understand, that we have grown up with. There is an IBDA spirit that comes from Salih Mirzabeyoğlu, that comes from his idea… This spirit is a national and independent spirit!.. Therefore, we will pay close attention to this when making politics and evaluating issues… For example, what attracted us about Mirzabeyoğlu was that he was the type of “a man who does not obey anyone”. When we first got to know him… Then his name became “independence” politically anyway… Do you know what I mean?… Moreover, an understanding of Islam cannot be mounted or articulated to anything… Therefore, it is necessary to understand that the spirit manifested in Mirzabeyoğlu is the spirit that both nationalists and leftists are looking for but cannot find. This is the main element that unites society, brings society together and makes it strong… It is necessary to look at the Commander and IBDA from this point of view… For this reason, I advised my friends, for example, in our last conversation, to read “Üç Işık” and “Adımlar” immediately, which were thought to be understood immediately. In what spirit did he address the issues? Are the templates he put forward that day still valid today? Look, test this… If they are valid, learn “how to do politics”… Right?… “What is unity?”, “What is power?” and so on… Therefore, while evaluating the “outside”, one should not overlook the “inside”… Thus, with a clear mind, one should clearly determine “who is the enemy?”, “who is the friend?”. Because the time for pretence has passed. Everyone’s back is against the wall… No one can act anymore!
That’s what I just said, what Russia said: “Whatever you do, I am behind you!”… In order for Turkey to do this… More precisely, when it does this, what does it mean? It means the following:
You know the “historical mission of Turkey”… “The leadership of the Islamic world and the Turkic world”… This means that you are taking a step towards it!.. In order to get this accepted, you need to become a “pole” in this region… You cannot become a pole by being tied to somewhere!.. You cannot become a pole by being tied to NATO or any other alliance… This is not the understanding that is put forward as a “multipolar world”. Let me tell you that… This is something else, we can talk about it separately… The moment you leave NATO, you will start to become a pole! You will start to become a centre of attraction… And you will have taken the “step to fulfil your historical mission”… Without this, there is nothing you can do in Turkey for the benefit of both the people of Anatolia and the Islamic world!
Adımlar TV: Other than harm…
-Every step you take will be a loss!… As it is today… Therefore, Turkey cannot fulfil that mission without a pole, without an “independent pole”!.. On the contrary, within the Western alliance, it will always be the enemy of the region!.. It will always be considered an enemy… Because where is the attack on the region coming from? From America and Britain!… It comes from NATO!… Right? You are also a member of NATO… Their bases are here… This is a very simple, obvious fact… Therefore, you can try as much as you want… And on top of that, if you don’t do this and send your son-in-law on an American ship or something. Hâ! So you’ll quit, we’ll prepare your son-in-law instead… Let the Americans take a look at the son-in-law… Is that it?!. As they say, “An animal doesn’t eat sweat”… These are empty plans… I mean, I’m not saying this in an angry or opposition attitude. It’s a pity, a sin… These are empty plans… That era is over!.. There is no such era anymore…
The issue is this: Homeland is man’s home, his place… OK?… This means that those who have a sense of place have a defence of the homeland, a love for the homeland!… The greatest evil done to us is here, in these 20 years – I want to say this especially, I want to underline it – “why don’t we react?!”, “why is it like this?”, “why is it like this?”… Because they took away your sense of place!.. They took away our sense of place!.. What gives you a sense of place? It is formed with a property… For example, you will have a house so that the sense of space can be formed! It will be something that belongs to you… Can he explain? It will be something you can design… You will have a place…
Adımlar TV Neighbourhood
-You will have a neighbourhood!… Here, too, this “urban transformation”… Taking people’s property from their homes… That’s what it’s called, let me tell you… In other words, “urban transformation” means dispossession! By taking away their property, you also took away their sense of space. And since there is no sense of “place”, people’s sense of “homeland” has weakened!
Adımlar TV: In the new generation, especially…
-Yes!… Now, with this Palestine issue, this feeling has been activated a little bit… I mean, people say, “Oh! That’s how the feeling of homeland is! Look, for the land there…”… You know those discussions about “the land was sold”, “it wasn’t sold” and so on… The policy makers don’t realise it, but this feeling has been activated in the society, especially in the young people… A recommendation: While this feeling is activated, we need to use it… We need to make them feel that feeling again and ensure the unity of the homeland again… Now, I’ll say it as “what needs to be done”, but it’s different whether they can do it or not… But whoever does it will be a hero!… Because with this feeling, you can also stand up for Palestine; in other words, you can stand up for everywhere, for everyone who is oppressed with this feeling!.. Such a disciplined community can overcome any power in the world!.. This has been revealed again… But if you still say “we will continue with urban transformation”, there is nothing to say… Let them continue!… I mean, there is “dispossession worldwide”… The BOP also means something like “urban transformation”…
There is nothing to say about the opposition… There was a phrase uttered by the British Prime Minister; “Russia and Hamas must fall”… This is very good… You can follow politics through leaders. It is important for them to put things in this clear way, both in terms of explaining what they are, and in terms of calculating what should be done on the other side… Of course, there is no leader like Churchill in England or Europe or America at the moment. In other words, Churchill was a politician who was immediately called to duty in two crisis periods, in two war periods… When the crisis was over, he was a leader who was immediately sent away… “Go on, you go now!” and so on… You know, Churchill always got away from the situation by bringing the two sides head to head!.. I mean England…
Adımlar TV: The “British political genius” attributed to…
-Of course… He was able to bring the British ship safely to the harbour… But when you look at the type of “politicians” today, men and women… These are not “leaders” at all, they are complete monkeys, complete clowns… So why did this happen?.. I mean, how are these societies, why are they like this? I don’t think there’s any need to think too much: Their task was to dumb down the masses in order for the Anglo-Saxon hegemony to work!… The same thing is happening here!.. Now, while these types are saying “let’s dumb down the masses”, they themselves have become dumb!… Do you understand?… You know how you say you want to let a child play all the time, but as time goes on and you get more and more involved with the child, you become a child yourself. You act like a child… They are experiencing the same feeling right now… Therefore, you can follow the decay and corruption in the West very well on the characters of these leaders… Their universities are in this state, their ting-tang organisations are in this state… “Are there no quality men?” We can count 3-5 of them… There are… But we all follow that all kinds of censorship are applied to those people to prevent them from speaking, especially on this issue of Russia and Palestine… It is also applied in America; journalists are made to resign, writers are not allowed to speak…
Therefore, in the current situation of the West, especially in the current situation of the North West, the North World, the destination is clear… The destination of those who still say “let’s stay in this alliance!” is the destination they will go to. In this critical situation, in these historical days we have come to, in these days when history is flowing very fast, everyone will evaluate the practice correctly and apply whatever idea he has… In other words, we must not allow the truth to be lost or the hypocrite to get away with it in theoretical discussions and efforts to elevate it… Because in such crisis situations, elevation serves to get away with it.
AdımlarTV: Concealment of self-evident truths…
Yes!… Everyone should pay close attention to this!.. Between the lines… I have just given an example… In the first period (the period of the Iraq invasion of ’91), liberal marauding propagandists used to do this a lot… There is Hüseyin Bağcı, for example, he is still doing it now… Cengiz Çandar, İlnur Çevik, the Altans (Mehmet-Ahmet Altan brothers)… Now we are faced with propagandists of the second period. There are also first period propagandists like Hüseyin Bağcı, their apprentices… We will pay attention… We will pay attention to the poisonous language, the snake language, the poisonous language of the demon lineage!.. Because the great showdown is at the door… The great reckoning is at the door… Nazism, Liberalism, Zionism; they are all united under the umbrella of Liberalism! We will pay attention to this… So what racism is, what selfishness is…
Today, that egoistic, selfish type of human being; there are Muslims, Christians, Christians, Jews… There is also the type of believing human being who opposes this… While this is putting it, there is also this in the world that opposes it… This ideological, political, religious, whatever you call it, this process will be shaped… This “multi-polar world” process will also be shaped… First of all, the “main enemy” must be neutralised and eliminated!
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